Posts by THE GLADIATOR

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

THE GLADIATOR

Tammy - In the words of Jack Nicholson in ‘As Good As It Gets.’

‘You make me want to be a better man.'

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

THE GLADIATOR

nancy drew “why is it always okay for god to slaughter and punish ”

This is a valid point. The God of the Bible does not forgive. He did not forgive Adam & Eve but allowed all humans from then on to be born in sin, suffering old age and death. There are many accounts of the people slaughtered by God with no suggestion of them being forgiven. Then his only begotten son was required to allow himself to be tortured to death to pay God back - whatever it was God thought he was owed.

For those who look to the Bible for guidance, the future is not orange but blood red.

Fortunately I see the Bible as a far fetched novel loosely based on a few nomads’ lives - though it’s likely they were mad; a romping yarn with no relevance to the time we presently live in.

This allows me the freedom forgive or not, as I see fit. Oh, the power!

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Forgiving. Surely a limit even for Christians?

by punkofnice in

ok. so i admit i'm stumped.

i left the jws and became christian and have been going through bouts of atheism, agnostisism and back.

that isn't something i want to delve into right now.. i remember seeing on the tv how a couple had their daughter murdered and they said that as christians they forgave the killer.. eh?.

THE GLADIATOR

It could be that although Christians believe they are for giving others, they are just biding their time. They wait on their god to do the judging and punishing. This act of faith is worth extra brownie points.

Those of us that believe we are responsible for the way the world of humans is run, have a more hands on approach. ‘Wait on the Lord’ has a hollow ring to it.

I do realize that Christians will see my pragmatic approach as an indication that I am dense, earthly and lacking in spiritual qualities. This is a cross I must bear - my gods demand it.

Hail Caesar!

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Your thoughts on whether atheists and agnostics are one step closer to God than religionists?

by Fernando in

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topgodapexspiritual persons (eg paul)middleatheists, agnostics, secularistsbottomreligionists (eg saul)seemingly in scripture the only persons jesus repeatedly tore into were the religionists (pharisees and sanhedrin or governing body).

it seems he gave the romans (secularists) scant attention, and chose to eat with the likes of prostitutes and presumably also lgbt persons..

THE GLADIATOR

Greeks and Romans had over 300 gods. Christians only belive in one god more than atheists.

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I can't believe this

by truthseeker1969 in

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friends

you all know i was in the uk settling estate issues and that the elders 'wanted to chat with me".. well i left before they could have the meeting i arranged on my "free day".. they turned up at my mothers home and were livid that i had gone, but here is the kicker.. brother heavenly described me as a potential apostate for what i had done, which sent my brother over the edge and he demanded a retraction and apology which they quickly gave him.

he intends to speak with the co when he comes on the matter.. it gets better, elder ballbag actually said "apostates do more good for the congregation than they think.

they pull those who should not be part of the org and clean the congregation" .

THE GLADIATOR

truthseeker1969

If you can’t believe this you don’t have a problem. The difficulty arises once we start believing.

Belief is a can of worms.

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Can you be in Love with two persons? My Dilemma...

by Intel in

first, don't laugh.

i'm not some adolescent teen that is confused about his relationship.

what i am going to relate here has become a maior hard ship and is really gnawing at me.

THE GLADIATOR

Re: Can you be in Love with two persons?

Love has no boundaries. If we are capable of love it is impossible to not be in love with any number of people.

However infatuation, lust and obsession are often mistaken for love.

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This Made Me So Thankful I am No Longer A Christian

by cofty in

i was following some links researching something to do with my condition when i came across this article by the well known christian author john piper called "don't waste your cancer".. if i had still been a christian when i got my diagnosis i would have been subjected to these sort of pious platitudes.

here are a few gems, read the full article if you wish but not on a full stomach.. .

cancer is not wasted when it is healed by god.

THE GLADIATOR

Christians choose to believe in a personal God. Many do not believe their God is responsible for our suffering. Some do and that is the point of contention. Logically, either the Christian God exists and is to blame; exists and is not to blame; or does not exist.

Those of us who do not believe such a God exists, have no need to become alarmed or angry if there are Christians who want to place the blame for suffering on their God. It is in a way an own goal.

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Ecclesiastes 7:12 Money! $$$

by N.drew in

nwt (new world translation of the holy scriptures) 1984. for wisdom is for a protection [the same as] money is for a protection; but the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom itself preserves alive its* owners.. does that make sense to anyone?

i understood what "wisdom preserves alive it's owner" means but never could find a place in logic for that other stuff.

because wisdom and the cost of wisdom is protected, knowledge excels, then wisdom makes alive it's owner.. .

THE GLADIATOR

You have to very careful where you put an apostrophe and how you punctuate!

A wrongly placed apostrophe can cause a great deal of upset and very unpleasant misunderstanding to innocent people who are simply seeking truth. Glad you raised this N'Dr.Ew.

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This Made Me So Thankful I am No Longer A Christian

by cofty in

i was following some links researching something to do with my condition when i came across this article by the well known christian author john piper called "don't waste your cancer".. if i had still been a christian when i got my diagnosis i would have been subjected to these sort of pious platitudes.

here are a few gems, read the full article if you wish but not on a full stomach.. .

cancer is not wasted when it is healed by god.

THE GLADIATOR

cofty It does seem that your experience of Christians had left you with a negative impresion; mine has been more positive.

As Terry would say, 'Your mileage may vary.'

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This Made Me So Thankful I am No Longer A Christian

by cofty in

i was following some links researching something to do with my condition when i came across this article by the well known christian author john piper called "don't waste your cancer".. if i had still been a christian when i got my diagnosis i would have been subjected to these sort of pious platitudes.

here are a few gems, read the full article if you wish but not on a full stomach.. .

cancer is not wasted when it is healed by god.

THE GLADIATOR

Not many Christians hold such an extreme view. They accept that phycical life in a body with feeling can bring both pleasure and pain.

I thought that BTS explained his position well om page one. I was touched by his comments.